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		<title>More Warren Buffett Market Calls</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Minutes after posting the previous article on Buffett, I found this great link at Gurufocus. Thought it would be a great compilation

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minutes after posting the previous article on Buffett, I found this great link at Gurufocus. Thought it would be a great compilation</p>
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<a  href="http://www.tilsonfunds.com/4BuffettMarketCalls.pdf" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/external/www.tilsonfunds.com/4BuffettMarketCalls.pdf');" >click here for the other link</a></p>

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		<title>Warren Buffett and Where from here?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alexg</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[After Warren Buffett&#8217;s NY Times article declaring its time to  get greedy, the market has dropped some leaving some financial journalist to question the Oracle&#8217;s call. I have seen several such articles in which they claim Warren Buffett has lost his touch. I would disagree with them. Late last month, Michael Mauboussin of Legg Mason [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Warren Buffett&#8217;s NY Times article declaring its time to  get greedy, the market has dropped some leaving some financial journalist to question the Oracle&#8217;s call. I have seen several such articles in which they claim Warren Buffett has lost his touch. I would disagree with them. Late last month, Michael Mauboussin of Legg Mason had an awesome piece titled <strong>Where From Here?</strong> (c
<a  href="http://www.leggmason.com/individualinvestors/documents/insights/D6932-Mauboussin_on_Strategy_Where_From_Here.pdf" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/external/www.leggmason.com/individualinvestors/documents/insights/D6932-Mauboussin_on_Strategy_Where_From_Here.pdf');" >lick here for link</a>). I think the following image will give the critics something to ponder. The image only goes back 10 years, but it could also go back several decades and one will see how accurate Buffetts calls have been and how wrong these financial journalists are wrong in the <strong>short term</strong>. (emphasis on short term)<span id="more-209"></span></p>
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		<title>Must See: Bruce Berkowitz</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alexg</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Every once in a while a value investor will go out of his way to let the public know what goes on behind their mind. Bruce Berkowitz recently did that by holding a public conference call. Thanks to Gurufocus for posting the video up and bringing it to everyone&#8217;s attention. Its over an hour long [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every once in a while a value investor will go out of his way to let the public know what goes on behind their mind. Bruce Berkowitz recently did that by holding a public conference call. Thanks to Gurufocus for posting the video up and bringing it to everyone&#8217;s attention. Its over an hour long so I suggest you listen to it when you have some free time. Enjoy <img src='http://www.contrarianvalueinvesting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <span id="more-198"></span></p>
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		<title>Buy cheap, REAL cheap</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alexg</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[With the market down a cool 40% it seems like people who could not tell the difference between a stock and a stick are all of a sudden getting interested in the markets. The markets are getting harder to avoid as the wild swings in the market are the perfect news to capture the general [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the market down a cool 40% it seems like people who could not tell the difference between a stock and a stick are all of a sudden getting interested in the markets. The markets are getting harder to avoid as the wild swings in the market are the perfect news to capture the general public&#8217;s attention in the afternoon. The general consensus is there are bargains out there waiting to get picked up. I agree. What&#8217;s keeping institutional investors on the sidelines is whether the worst has passed or is there another shoe to drop. Now, reading some posts from the financial bloggers out there is interesting. Many bloggers are writing about how they cannot decide which stocks to buy as their are simply too many bargains. The one things I am noticing is some of their stocks are cheap but not REAL cheap.<span id="more-194"></span></p>
<p>This situation recently came to mind as I spent a weekend at 
<a  href="http://www.starwoodhotels.com/sheraton/property/photos/index.html?propertyID=1959" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/external/www.starwoodhotels.com/sheraton/property/photos/index.html');" >La Jolla&#8217;s Sheraton Hotel</a> which is owned by Starwood Hotel (HOT). I remembered a while back it was rumored Sam Zell might buyout Starwood Hotels (HOT). After spending some time researching the company I came to the conclusion that the stock is undervalued. Not bad eh? But then I thought to myself&#8230;. Why buy a dollar for .50? When there is another dollar down the street for .30?</p>
<p>These are historic times according to some well known investors. Great investors like Warren Buffett, Bruce Berkowitz, Marty Whitman are calling it an opportunity of a lifetime, so why be satisfied with cheap? And why not invest in REALLY cheap?</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alexg</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup. No BS. 
Morningstar.com is offering free access to its premium content til Friday. All you have to do is register for an account, or if you already have one simply login. You will be able to see their fair value estimates along with analyst reports.  Gots to hurry though, this will last til Friday.No [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. No BS. 
<a  href="http://www.morningstar.com" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/external/www.morningstar.com');" >Morningstar.com</a> is offering free access to its premium content til Friday. All you have to do is register for an account, or if you already have one simply login. You will be able to see their fair value estimates along with analyst reports.  Gots to hurry though, this will last til Friday.No credit card is needed so don&#8217;t be afraid <img src='http://www.contrarianvalueinvesting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>

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		<title>Zecco- The Perfect Broker For A Magic Formula Investor</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alexg</dc:creator>
		
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		<category><![CDATA[Zecco]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[For the first time in this blog&#8217;s history I decided to finally add advertising other than adsense, which literally pays pennies. I get a ton of offers to do reviews, add banners,etc. but none of the options would ever benefit any of the readers (mainly value and magic formula ivnestors). I could finally say I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the first time in this blog&#8217;s history I decided to finally add advertising other than adsense, which literally pays pennies. I get a ton of offers to do reviews, add banners,etc. but none of the options would ever benefit any of the readers (mainly value and magic formula ivnestors). I could finally say I added something other than adsense. On the top left corner I added a Zecco banner. I honestly believe this will benefit any value/magic formula investor out there. <span id="more-187"></span></p>
<p><strong>Why Zecco?</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>10 FREE stock trades every month to customers who keep only $2,500 in assets in their account. Stock trades are just $4.50 each otherwise.</li>
<li>There’s no annual fee.</li>
<li>There&#8217;s no catch.</li>
<li>Zecco can give away free trades because the cost of executing a trade has become very low. And like other brokerages, Zecco makes money on interest income and options trades.</li>
<li> Zecco Trading is a fully disclosed broker/dealer and a member of FINRA and SIPC.</li>
</ul>
<p>And oh yeah, juuuuuuuuuuust in case your wonderin. Im currently in the process of switching to Zecco.</p>

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		<title>Peter Schiff Earned My Respect</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.contrarianvalueinvesting.com/?p=180</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The beauty of about sites like Youtube is the amount of stuff being documented. For example, how can we forget that 
Jim Cramer likes to flip flop a little. WARNING! The stuff you are about to witness is of gospel material. I will stop typing and let the video speak for itself. You will see [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The beauty of about sites like Youtube is the amount of stuff being documented. For example, how can we forget that 
<a title="Jim Cramer flip flop"  href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nkZ3eHeXlc" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/external/www.youtube.com/watch');" >Jim Cramer likes to flip flop a little</a>. WARNING! The stuff you are about to witness is of gospel material. I will stop typing and let the video speak for itself. You will see why Peter Schiff, til the day he stops doing video interviews, and beyond, will have my respect. You will also see why I will never change my name to Laffer.<span id="more-180"></span></p>
<p><object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="425" height="344" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="src" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/2I0QN-FYkpw&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;fs=1" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="344" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2I0QN-FYkpw&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;fs=1" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object></p>
<p>See what Peter Schiff thinks now by 
<a  href="http://www.europac.net/Schiff-Bloomberg-10-28-08_lg.asp" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/external/www.europac.net/Schiff-Bloomberg-10-28-08_lg.asp');" >clicking here</a></p>

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		<title>A picture is worth a thousand words</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Below is a stock charts of American Express (AXP). Amazing how a high quality company goes down in value in such a short period of time. The stock chart is awesome considering all the variables such as the amount of people who have been hired and fired during the time period, the hours put in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below is a stock charts of American Express (AXP). Amazing how a high quality company goes down in value in such a short period of time. The stock chart is awesome considering all the variables such as the amount of people who have been hired and fired during the time period, the hours put in by the different management to create shareholder value,etc. I know its weird stuff to think about but it that&#8217;s the stuff that I think about sometimes. <span id="more-175"></span></p>
<p>
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<p>Disclosure: Long AXP</p>

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		<title>Which Gurus To Follow</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alexg</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Reporting season is here. Sites that track &#8220;gurus&#8221; will be busy as ever to attract and retain readers. With so many gurus out there which ones should one pay attention to and to pay attention at all.
Gurus what gurus!?
Many &#8220;gurus&#8221; are down over 50%  and questions have risen whether certain investors should be followed at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.putnamcountyschools.com/departments/food/newspaper_boy_1.gif" alt="" width="176" height="173" />Reporting season is here. Sites that track &#8220;gurus&#8221; will be busy as ever to attract and retain readers. With so many gurus out there which ones should one pay attention to and to pay attention at all.</p>
<p><strong>Gurus what gurus!?</strong></p>
<p>Many &#8220;gurus&#8221; are down over 50%  and questions have risen whether certain investors should be followed at all. Among the &#8220;why&#8221; list include Mohnish Pabrai, Bill Miller, Richard Pzena and the contrarian maestro himself David Dreman. These individuals built up above average returns for years and sometimes decades, but were early to the party and have whipped out most of their investors returns.<span id="more-173"></span></p>
<p>Who would have thunk I am having a better year than David Dreman? This considering he has access to information I could only dream of and he has a much higher salary than me.</p>
<p><strong>So many choices, time to narrow&#8217;em down</strong></p>
<p>I follow a handful myself. As much as I would like to follow Tweedy, Browne and Co. and Ruane Cuniff, their not the same. Here is my list and why:</p>
<ul>
<li>Warren Buffett- Pretty obvious. To be the best, one has to learn from the best. &#8220;&#8221;If I have seen a little further, it is by <em>standing on the shoulders of giants</em>.&#8221;Nuff said</li>
<li>Bruce Berkewitz- I find his holdings easy to understand. Most importantly, their simple. For example,  
<a  href="http://www.contrarianvalueinvesting.com/2008/06/14/bruce-berkowitz-on-wealthtrack-is-weeks-top-value-investing-story/">he appeared on WealthTrack </a>stating that he finds himself driving less due to the high price of gas. That&#8217;s about the same time oil peaked</li>
<li>Seth Klarman- Kind of a doble standard here, but his picks never make sense and I like trying to figure them out</li>
<li>Bill Ackman - Guys awesome. Has the ability to present his thesis in a clear manner and has all the numbers to back it up. Looking forward for his presentation on target (GT), an assetplay.</li>
</ul>
<p>The main reason I follow them is they present their investment thesis in a clear and simple manner. Sometimes they do deviate from the norm but I do not follow them blindly. Even Warren Buffett is becoming harder to follow since his picks are mixed in with Lou Simpson&#8217;s. Although, many speculate that any bets made over $1  billion dollars is a Warren Buffett pick, nothing is set in stone. So who do you follow?</p>

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		<title>Its the economy stupid</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The question among small business owners (and some large) is when will the economy start showing signs of a recovery. The Wall Street Journal today published an article showing its latest forecasting survey. The results? most 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question among small business owners (and some large) is when will the economy start showing signs of a recovery. The Wall Street Journal today published an article showing its latest forecasting survey. The results? most 
<a  href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122651067485621191.html" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/external/online.wsj.com/article/SB122651067485621191.html');" >economists believe we are in midst of the worst part of the recession</a> and we will not see a turnaround until second half 2009. <span id="more-168"></span></p>
<p><strong>Small Business</strong></p>
<p>Keep in mind, I am employed in a family business that relies heavily on economic conditions especially the housing industry. Our customers consist primarily of paint and chemical companies. Our vendors mainly consist of steel and aluminum companies.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/moviemom/home-alone-lr.jpg" alt="" width="194" height="181" /></p>
<p><strong>What happened!!!</strong></p>
<p>About 3-4 weeks ago something happened. The economy froze. Every business I have called or in which my father called agrees that something happened as that is the time frame in which things went from &#8220;OK we will stick it out&#8221; to &#8221; oh shoot, we might not make it&#8221;. Things are ugly out there. Several good friends of mine have not been working or are considering closing up shop. Several large (and small) have begun laying people off and reduce work hour by  20-40% (working 3 or 4 days out of the usual 5). I am not talking about start ups. I am talking about family owned businesses which have been around for 40-50 years. A good friend of mine who has a successful scrap metal business once made around $1200 /ton . Talked to him to see how is doing, getting about $60/ton.He soon told me &#8220;If you read in the bible of how things are going to end, this is it, wars, bankruptcies,etc.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Solution</strong></p>
<p>How do we solve this problem? We will have to spend like never before. Unless consumer psychology switches from &#8220;save and not spend&#8221; to &#8221; hun, lets go out&#8221; this will drag. President Elect-Obama has stated that another stimulus might be in the works. I certainly will not mind an extra check. But, unless the country actually spends it, it will be worthless. the last stimulus check I spent about 20% and saved the rest. I am pretty sure most American did the same. How to get people to spend their &#8220;checks&#8221;. First, don&#8217;t give them a check. Give people prepaid ATM&#8217;s with an expiration date on it (3 months). This ensures people will spend the $$ and will allow the government a way to track if the stimulus is working. If it is, reload those ATM&#8217;s.(whats another trillion?)</p>
<p><strong>Small Business/Corporations</strong></p>
<p>Lending is still tight even though LIBOR has come down a bit. Nevertheless, companies are still holding off on projects until things start slowing down. It would be nice if small/large business received some sort of stimulus package. I have several customers who need maintenance, want new equipment,etc. but are not willing to spend money right now. Several companies have gone bankrupt and I would love to go in their and purchase machines at fire sale prices. Unfortunately, I&#8217;m on the defensive and have to worry if I will be around to see the turnaround. Our business is only surviving because we have a strong market position and I would love to get stronger but I simply can&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>Final Thoughts</strong></p>
<p>I know my stimulus package (I thought about it myself ) is not the best. I know i&#8217;m not the brightest when it comes to economics ( I received a B in micro and macro). I know it has some holes like &#8220;some seniors are not familiar with ATM&#8217;s&#8217;, &#8220;What if people pay their credit card debt with this ATM of yours&#8221;. Your right. But you know what, its better than a check that people will tuck away under the rug. How about those skeptical about giving more money to small businesses? Shoot, my family business has a better chance of survival than Ford and GM combined. I&#8217;m not some politician and my proposals would probably get laughed at. I don&#8217;t care. I am in the trenches. I know what&#8217;s going on out there. You know things are bad when steel companies are calling me (its usually the other way around). 3 months ago U.S. Steel took 1 month to process an application for credit, after many calls and horrible customer service, I took my business elsewhere. Guess who is calling now?</p>
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